mob159: *farts* mob 4130: *sniffs* mob159: haha mob159: so i finally made up my mind about all this pc upgrading stuff mob159: i decided to order only and extra 128 megs of RDRAM mob159: same as i have so i dont run into any problems mob159: ordered online.....only $58 including shipping mob159: should be here in 2 days mob159: :P mob 4130: that is super cheap mob159: yep mob159: i figured 256 of ram is good performance for most everything............so i ordered the 128 because it was cheaper, and because i read all about RDRAM last night. I dont want to pay for crappy stuff............. mob159: I read some new articles yesterday mob 4130: about naked co eds? mob 4130: blue2070:coolio mob159: you have the pc and know how it performs, i dont............but i read some stuff about the petium 4 mob 4130: ahh mob159: ill see if i can find the link again...........it took me about an hour to read it and i skiped the really technical engineering stuff behind it. It was written by a 20 year programmer..........all about the problems intel is going to face in the next few years, its history with the x86 processor line, problems with the latest P3s and P4s, the "conspiracy" with dell and other major PC copanies, and all the marketing schemes behind it................it also talks about how athlon beat intel late in 99 and how it will continue to beat it for some time now...........very interesting article mob159: so i dont want to spend more on RDRAM than I have to, 128MB more will give me 256.........enough to get a little more performance hopefully............and then it should be fine as game/file/web server when i build my next pc mob 4130: true mob 4130: 58 for 128 is cheap, even for pc 133 ram mob 4130: thats good mob 4130: should have got more... mob 4130: servers usually do better with more ram mob 4130: : mob 4130: :-) mob159: well that can be tricky...have not gotten a straight answer...to many mixed responses mob159: i have thoughouly researched this stuff since Sat. night mob159: pretty much all day, everyday mob 4130: yikies mob159: I fell like I am Mr. PC now mob159: I can talk to kilo, cock, and all them and know what is going on now mob 4130: hae mob159: according to my Dell documentation (book and online) as well as some other sources.....you can mix different speeds and sizes. So if you have 2 chips they will run at the lower speed of the 2, and you can add a 256 to a 128 to get a total of 384.......... mob 4130: right mob159: BUT.........I have read a lot of user comments that it leads to lock ups and instablity mob159: as well as a couple people said they got from some of the same sources that you cannot mix speed or size mob159: stuff is really unclear about RDRAM mob159: i also found a really good article on it mob159: so hopefully the RAM i ordered is compatible and works...i dont want to deal with returning something like a pc part.... mob 4130: nope mob 4130: that would suck mob 4130: but i would think after all the years of ram, that all would be compatible and work mob159: i ordered a Kingston chip from Dell Gigabuys......nicley priced for a good company.........i went to their website and looked at all the specs mob 4130: pc133 was all the same and you could mix n match. you could even mix n match pc133 with pc100 and it worked (at pc100 speed) mob 4130: i told you i ordered the tdk 16x right? 170 mob159: they made a lot of RAM for Dell machines, and the spec sheets said they met the requirements of my system, according to all my documentation in the book and online again mob159: yep mob159: so it should work mob159: DELL was charging a lot for system upgrades....so i went through gigabuys to get non-system memory mob159: hehe mob 4130: i think it will probably create toxic gas, catch fire, burn down all of eugene and you would make it out clean and clear mob159: haha mob 4130: and insurance will pay mob159: hey are we going to game tonight...MOB practice on your server mob159: and is your server running right now mob159: and if we get practice sessions on your server, can i get admin rights for when you are not there mob159: plus i need the ip for your server again..i think unless it is the same still mob 4130: its not up mob159: ok mob 4130: ill put it up when i get home mob159: but we going to do it tonight mob 4130: then the ip will be sent to you mob159: ok mob 4130: i could also set up a link where it searches gametiger for the server to always get the ip mob 4130: :-) mob159: bboy, cello, and others want to know if we are playing....and so does a recruit im looking at mob159: the recruit is pretty good....i think mob159: i have plyed with him before mob 4130: COOL mob 4130: good mob 4130: tonight?> mob 4130: ok mob159: here is where i found the links on some of those articles..........you already bought your pc and maybe it is working great..but this is just interesting to read.....andmaybe you can pass it on so someone thinking about buying a new pc mob159: of course most of your friends are mac heads mob159: http://delltalk.us.dell.com/messages/overview.asp?page=1&name=dim_upgrade mob159: mail the link to yourself mob159: read it later, or over a break mob 4130: k mob 4130: which article should i look for mob159: the 20 year programmer article is the big interesting one mob159: then the one below that explains RDRAM very wel...which is not covered in the first article mob159: dont worry about the p3 & rdram article mob 4130: k mob159: that was something that should have been around when i bought my pc...unfortunately I did not find it when i was looking up help/advice mob159: :-( mob 4130: your pc is fine, and treated you well since you got it mob 4130: :-) mob 4130: so fresh and so clean mob159: yep......but i was kind of screwed. I payed a lot of $ for it.....and to find out now I could have saved a lot when i bout it mob159: if i knew then what i know now i could have gotten 512 of pc133 RAM and i would probably get better performance mob159: and it would have been cheaper mob 4130: but you got newer potentially faster ram... first round mob 4130: i dont think you got ripped, you got the best for the money at the time... mob 4130: mine is already cheaper and there is newer out... mob159: yep....so fast i paid for something i cannot fully utilize though mob 4130: thats how pcs work mob159: yep it bites mob 4130: i dont think you did, mob 4130: processor speeds are far greater than any ram can handle... mob 4130: ram is still the weak link... mob 4130: or hard drive slowness.../ mob 4130: so dont worry about it mob159: my ram is good for Direct Memory Access, but it suffers the same bandwidth bottleneck as all th eother RAM out there mob 4130: ram is always the bottle neck, even my pc800 ram is.... mob 4130: with a p4 mob159: yep mob 4130: p4 is much faster than any ram could be mob 4130: so ... mob 4130: i dont know mob 4130: hehe mob 4130: use it and deal mob159: read that article and you will become more educated mob 4130: and smack down some unruly cs players mob 4130: ha mob159: hehe mob159: exactly.....that is why after great thought I decided the most logical thing to do was keep what i got and add more RDRAM mob 4130: good idea mob159: is was fairly cheap, it will increase my RAM which should give me more performance, and it will make a fine second pc/game server/ftp server/webserver mob 4130: wait longer till the new chipsets come out mob159: yep....i have decided i am going to keep up on this stuff this fall so i am prepared to build my own pc mob 4130: a rule of thumb that I made up is : wait till the second upgrade in processors and youll be good (about a year and half to 2 yrs)??? what you think> mob 4130: my opinion for now mob 4130: hehe mob159: yep mob 4130: like from p3, wiat till after the p4 to upgrade mob 4130: p5? mob 4130: with pc2Ghz ram mob 4130: hehea mob159: Long story short....the P4 system that intel pitched looks good on paper, but is far from it. They were pissed that Athlon came and kicked butt in 99 so they cracked out the P4 to get the speed record back, but they cut a lot of corners in the original design and now intel is suffering mob 4130: y mob 4130: a mob 4130: i almost got an athalon, but the p4 seemed like such a good deal mob 4130: i think same for you... mob 4130: right mob 4130: the dell just seemed like an unpassupable deal (nice word) mob159: yep that is why i am going to build an athlon pc this fall/spring with the tried and true Athlon procs of today, and the new Nvidia Nforce chipset motherboards coming soon mob 4130: ahh mob159: the Nforce is based on the xbox mob 4130: wow, thats ironic mob159: nvidia developed it for the xbox, and now they expanded that technolgy to make the Nforce which is going to be better mob 4130: a pc based off a gaming system mob159: no... mob 4130: oh mob 4130: just the technology part mob159: nvidia had this plan...from the start............they stepped up to the chalange to design awesome stuf for the xbox mob 4130: lunch time mob 4130: be back mob159: after buying out 3dfx and another company mob159: .. mob 4130: coo mob159: they got the deal from microsoft for the xbox and did it mob 4130: lunch is very important for the building of bones and completion of everyday tasks. nutrients lost with such activities as thinking and mouse movement have thier toll on growing boys and girls. mob 4130: ill be back monkey mob159: ok mob 4130: lunch is very important for the building of bones and completion of everyday tasks. nutrients lost with such activities as thinking and mouse movement have thier toll on growing boys and girls. mob 4130: hahahehhehe mob159: they got a lot of support and $$$ from microsft, they knewthey could develope something good, they did, and in the process knew they could turn around and use it in the PC industry....so they had the plans from the beginning....................the integrated sound on th eNforce is better than any external/upgrade sound card on the market today..........the onboard video is geforce2 technology and runs at 6x AGP, plus they have increased the bandwidth issue to higher than anything else DDR ram will truly be fully utilized.......it is AWESOME!!!!!!! mob 4130: lunch is very important for the building of bones and completion of everyday tasks. nutrients lost with such activities as thinking and mouse movement have thier toll on growing boys and girls. mob 4130: sweeeeet mob 4130: get that one mob 4130: when it comes out mob159: yep mob 4130: Hi mob159, I'm on vacation. mob159: now eat lunch mob 4130: ok mob 4130: asdf Auto response from mob159: mob159: I had to step away from the PC really quick.....I'll be right back.